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Delightful, Tender, Lonely, and Strange: An Interview with Zoe Ballering, 草榴社区 Alumna and Author of Award-Winning Book, 'There Is Only Us'

Newest book is winner of the Katherine Anne Porter Prize in Short Fiction

by Max Owens
草榴社区 Graduate School

Western Washington University alumna Zoe Ballering鈥檚 collection of short stories, There Is Only Us, released in November 2022, recently won the 2022 Katherine Anne Porter Prize in Short Fiction from the University of North Texas Press. From a satirical retelling of the story of Noah鈥檚 ark, to sisters transforming into naked mole rats, Ballering鈥檚 debut collection journeys into weird and wonderful worlds 鈥 all while examining the connections that bind us.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

Ballering is a writer and teacher who lives in Portland, Oregon. She loves stories that are playful, tender, and strange, and her speculative fiction has appeared in Electric Literature鈥檚 Recommended Reading, Craft, Hobart, and elsewhere. Her writing is informed by her work in many different worlds: as the program manager for a historic tall ship, the receptionist at a garbage dump, an olive oil saleswoman, a teacher, a radio copywriter, and 鈥 currently 鈥 as the assistant dean of Admission Communication at Reed College. 

Max Owens from 草榴社区's Graduate School sat down with Ballering (MFA, '19) to talk about the strangeness of the world, weird jobs, and her experience as an MFA student in Western鈥檚 creative writing program.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

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MAX: In There Is Only Us, the utterly ordinary (frustrating bosses, high school, family) exists alongside the utterly weird (astronaut twins, a reversal of Genesis, unknowable secretions). Why this coexistence?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: The world is full of weird things. And I think we do an injustice to the world if we ignore that fact. It鈥檚 full of weird animals; it鈥檚 full of weird space stories. And not only is that just a fact, it鈥檚 also really fun. And so, I love to start with what I call a strange seed鈥攁nd then I grow that seed up. And what I almost always find is that, regardless of how wacky it seemed at first, I end up at a place where I鈥檓 talking about relationships between people, which are always interesting and complex.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

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MAX: In 鈥淎rk,鈥 the first story in the collection, the protagonist, Karis, is the caretaker for all the birds aboard Noah鈥檚 ark鈥攂ut she mistakenly brings two male chickens along, upending the one male-one female rule. What 鈥渨eird seed鈥 did this story grow out of?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: 鈥淎rk鈥 came out of my long-time fascination with chicken sexing. It鈥檚 a hugely important part of the modern poultry industry. Professionals can sex a thousand chicks an hour with incredible accuracy, often without being able to explain exactly how they know. Everyone else sucks at telling the difference between male and female chicks. So I was trying to imagine one of the earliest examples of how an inept chicken sexer would fail, big time, at their task.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

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MAX: How about 鈥淪ubstances: A School Year?鈥 What鈥檚 the 鈥渨eird seed鈥 for a story about a group of high schoolers obsessed with categorizing the strange secretions oozing from their school?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: 鈥淪ubstances: A School Year鈥 was inspired by a book from [my time at] Western鈥攜ou all may still be reading it鈥. It has a very bizarre brown smear for a cover. Were they going for dirt? Or poop? The cover got me thinking about how hard it is to separate innocuous substances from dangerous substances, and how upsetting that lack of clarity would be for a bunch of kids who love rules.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

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MAX: There Is Only Us is about relationships, but it鈥檚 also about loneliness. How does loneliness show up in these stories?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: The four stories in the beginning reflect this idea of There Is Only Us, like, a really small group of people in the world. There鈥檚 this aspect of creating these groups, or being forced to be part of these groups, and trying to navigate a hard, scary world. And then the second half of the book does have a lot to do with loneliness. It really looks at what it feels like to be in this enormous world and to have all these tools that seem to promise connection鈥攁nd to still be really struggling to find that connection.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

MAX: Animals feature prominently in your stories. Why?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: I wish I totally knew the answer. I mean, it is interesting to compare our experience with the world with animals鈥 experience of the world. I think that鈥檚 what interests me about naked mole rats: not only do they look absurd, and it鈥檚 impossible not to be awed by their appearance, but they seem to have really different experiences of the world, in the sense that scientists claim they cannot experience pain in the same way as human beings. So what does that mean for them? But also, what could that mean for us, if we could transform ourselves in that way?

I also just think the world is so full of beauty and wonder. I love science fiction as part of speculative fiction, but I also feel like I don鈥檛 necessarily need to go to space, you know, to find things that seem alien, and that are worth talking about. Animals are not literally alien鈥攖hey鈥檙e terrestrial鈥攂ut they sure feel like they are.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

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MAX: A lot of these stories were initially drafted pre-COVID. So, I鈥檓 curious how the pandemic shifted the way you thought about your stories, especially in terms of human connection and loneliness?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: Loneliness was a fact before the pandemic, and then during the pandemic, it was a much more present fact, I think. When I wrote many of the stories, I had no sense of what was coming towards us. But I think those stories can be read through the lens of the pandemic in really interesting ways. There鈥檚 one story about vaccines, and it鈥檚 totally different than vaccines as we talk about them now. But it does have these powerful themes about what choices we make for our bodies, and for people who are dependent on what choices we make for their bodies.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

But then there are two other stories that I think of as total pandemic stories. And they have to do with quarantine, which is not something I had ever really thought about before 2020 in a real way. They have to do with feeling like parts of the world are vanishing around you鈥攑arts that you thought would always be there. I felt like I had to write those stories, because I had to deal with the hard things going on in my life.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

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MAX: You鈥檝e had some weird jobs鈥攜ou were the program coordinator for a tall ship, a radio copywriter, and the receptionist at a garbage dump, among others. How have these strange jobs informed your work as a writer?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: I think it鈥檚 sort of a trope in author bios, but I wanted my own list of weird jobs. I think weird work has been one of the main ways I鈥檝e learned about the world. There are so many worlds that it鈥檚 hard to know they exist, but then it鈥檚 like you pass through a tiny door, and there鈥檚 this giant labyrinth of knowledge and passion and people that you never knew about. In my writing, these things show up, sometimes in the smallest ways, but they do matter.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

Zoe Ballering's There Is Only Us, released in November 2022, recently won the 2022 Katherine Anne Porter Prize in Short Fiction from the University of North Texas Press.

MAX: You started this book as a student in an MFA program here at Western. What was that experience like for you?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: I did, yes. I had a great time in the MFA program in many ways, but one of the things I鈥檓 most grateful for is that it gave me time to actually write something in a coherent, focused way. My collection has built a lot since then, but I made the initial foundation at Western鈥攍ike, even the name of my thesis is the same as the name of my book.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

Western is great because you get guidance, but you aren鈥檛 told you have to conform to a particular style. I felt like, Oh, I have the freedom to figure out who I want to be as a writer. Kelley Magee was my thesis advisor, and she not only mentored me during the program but also has continued to help me figure out, like, How do I go about publishing? And what do I do now that the book is going to be published? Basically, everything good that you can get from an MFA program, I got at Western.鈥

 

MAX: Excellent, Zoe. Thanks for taking time to sit down with us and talk about your award-winning book! Any upcoming projects we should keep an eye out for?鈥&苍产蝉辫;

ZOE: I鈥檓 working on some new short stories at the moment, but I would like鈥攖his year鈥攖o turn my attention to a novel. About what? Not sure, but I鈥檓 certain it will unite my favorite things: playfulness, tenderness, and strangeness.鈥&苍产蝉辫;

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